Wednesday, March 25, 2015

消(55):代付费(Disbursement)及开支补偿 (Reimbursement)的区别

发现不少朋友还不是很清楚代付费(Disbursement)及开支补偿 ( Reimbursement)的区别。

我个人也曾经很混淆,后来经过深入的探讨后,才能够明白它们之间不同点。

我们需要对代付费(Disbursement)及开支补偿 ( Reimbursement)有所了解,那是因为它牵连到消费税。

我们所习惯的,以前我们律师或会计师或审计师向我们征收的代付费(Disbursement),在目前(消费税时代前),是不需要征收服务税(Service Tax)的。

日后,思维要改变一下。

律师或会计师或审计师向我们额外征收的费用,比如:

交通费 (Travelling)
快递费 (Courier)
电话费 (Telephone)
等等 (and so on)

以消费税为目的,全部被视为是开支补偿 ( Reimbursement),并需要征收消费税。

接下来图文并茂,向你们解说。

务必要明白,否则处理消费税事务时,也许会出错。

如果看了还是不明白,怎么办?

看多几次。



















36 comments:

  1. so, what tax code should I use for disbursement when charging customer?

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    1. Anonymous,

      disbursement is not a supply, tax code can chose OS

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  2. 您好,今天才知道有这么好的blog. 请您看一下我的问题。我们是做汽车维修和服务业。
    请问,Puspakom(验车中心)的Tax Invoice(Puspakom Fee*)都是直接开'"客户公司名'"(所以我方不能做进项税)。我方代为付款后验车,然后我方开Tax invoice给客户,(Puspakom Fee* + service charges for testing) + 6% , 这样对吗?
    请您帮忙解答。

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  3. 您好,今天才知道有这么好的blog. 请您看一下我的问题。我们是做汽车维修和服务业。
    请问,Puspakom(验车中心)的Tax Invoice(Puspakom Fee*)都是直接开'"客户公司名'"(所以我方不能做进项税)。我方代为付款后验车,然后我方开Tax invoice给客户,(Puspakom Fee* + service charges for testing) + 6% , 这样对吗?
    请您帮忙解答。

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    1. Jyrence Ang,

      1. Puspakom(验车中心)的Tax Invoice(Puspakom Fee*)都是直接开'"客户公司名'"
      2. 你代付

      这种情况下,随后你开税务发票,里面将会包括:

      1,你的收费
      2. 你的收费的6%消费税

      Disbursement:
      1. Puspakom 收费

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  4. 如果我们帮小园主先支付工人砍油棕的工钱,过后在statement里扣除,完全没有赚钱的,请问这样的情况下,是Disbursement 还是Reimbursement ?

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    1. Jacklyn Tiong,

      只要工人是小园主的,Disbursement 。

      但是,文件处理上,要留意。

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  5. 请问文件上该怎么处理呢?以前我们都是在单里扣除,Wages -xxxx Kgs*RM xx.现在还能这样写吗?可是为什么我的account把小园主扣除的wages放在Revenue呢?

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    1. Jacklyn Tiong,

      就是你开单时,要这样注明:

      Disbursement: xxx

      为什么你的account把小园主扣除的wages放在Revenue呢?这要问问他。

      以前很多时候,我们这样做,帐目基本上都没有什么问题。

      现在消费税时代,由于有消费税的因素,造成很多以前惯用的方式已经不能在用了。

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  6. 您好,如果是帮客户代付给国外厂家(中国制衣厂),我应该怎么开TAX INVOICE给客户?

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    1. Chirstina Chua,

      你的这个代付,中国制衣厂的单是给你客户,然后你代付?

      如果是这种代付情况,你是要跟客户以claim 回,就是所谓的 disbursement。


      开单,就注明:

      Disbursement: xxx

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  7. 请问我每个月会收到Courier寄来的invoice,部分是customer的,以前我就会开DN给我的customer。
    GST之后,我应该怎么做?因为courier的Invoice是有charge我GST的。
    这个应该是属于disbursement吧?

    DR Courier (TX)
    DR Courier paid on behalf customer (BL)
    DR GST
    DR GST paid on behalf customer
    CR Bank
    所以我只可以claim input tax GST,不可以claim GST paid on behalf customer的对吗?

    Tax invoice to my customer
    如果disbursement是OS,那我的customer不就不可以claim input tax了吗?


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    1. Ninky,

      你的这种情况,看上去跟disbursement 无异。

      然后,在关税局的立场,disbursement是,courier的单是开给你的客户,然后你代付先,过后再claim 回。

      假设courier给你的税务发票是 318(含消费税),其中212是你的,另外106是客户的。

      你在进purchase时:

      DR: COURIER
      DR: INPUT TAX
      CR: CREDITOR

      你先claim 完全部 input tax,过后再开税务发票给你的客户。

      DR: DEBTOR
      CR: COURIER
      CR: OUTPUT TAX

      在这种情况下,你的客户就可以claim input tax 了。

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  8. 你好。。帮inter company 还工钱,也就是说A company 帮B company 出工钱,然后A company 会开DN bill 回 B company, 但现在A company 要怎样bill 回B company???? thanks...

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    1. Anonymous,

      【帮inter company 还工钱,也就是说A company 帮B company 出工钱,】

      在这种情况下,工人是B company的,A company只是代付。

      在 A Company,第一个Entry 应该是:
      DR: Other Debtor (B Company)
      Cr:Bank

      过后,A company 应该是去跟 B Company claim 回来,而不是开税务发票(Tax Invoice),因为这里没有牵涉到销售。

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  9. Before GST:
    Company A help Company B pay on behalf to Company's B supplier. and Issue Debit Note to Company B.

    After GST:
    What is the tax code should company A use when take in company's B invoices in order to pay?
    Can company A issue Debit Note or have to issue Tax Invoice?

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  10. Anonymous,

    "Company A help Company B pay on behalf to Company B's Supplier"

    Suppliers' invoiced address to Company B or Company A?

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    1. Tax invoices address to Company B.

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    2. Supplier issue invoice to Company B.

      Delete
    3. Anonymous,

      In this situation, this is considered as disbursement to Company A.

      In Company A's account:

      When A paid for it:
      DR: Other Debtor (Company B)
      CR: Bank

      When A Claims back from B:
      DR: Bank
      CR: Other Debtor

      There is not GST impact for disbursement.

      Company A has to pass all the tax invoices to Company B, so that Company B can claim the input tax.

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    4. Is it a MUST to issue tax invoice?? Can we continue use Debit Note for backcharges?

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    5. Anonymous,

      Hoping for DG'S Decision on this。

      Delete
  11. 你好,想问一下,像上面那个情况帮 A company 帮B company 付工人薪水,可以开DN 跟B公司收钱吗?A company 是register GST ,B company 没有.

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    1. elsa,

      员工如果是B 公司的,那么A公司开tax invoice 当disbursement。

      A 公司有注册后,已经不能随意用DN了。

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  12. We are trading company and our customer in KL has instructed us to deliver the goods to labuan. From KL to labuan, we have appointed our own transporter to deliver the goods and for the transport cost we will mark up and rebill our customer. Is this a disburesement or reimbursement and how should I charge my customer?

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    1. Adelineeee,

      Since the bill is issued to you, and later on you rebill your customer with mark-up, this is considered as reimbursement, and subject to GST.

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  13. What is the MISC code for reimbursement or disbursement? Can I leave the MISC code blank?

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    1. Dream House,

      1. disbursement - out of scope, no need MISC code

      2. reimbursement - subject to gst, follow the primary supply

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  14. 1) A帮B代还,supplier invoice address to A。
    A 要tax invoice B?

    2)supplier invoice 有几个item是debtor的。
    how to claim back from debtor (no mark up)?

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  15. oki qio,

    1. supplier invoice开给 A,A需要开Tax Invoice 给B。

    2. 你是不是说,有几个东西是你帮客户买的?

    同样的,开税务发票。

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  16. 你好,
    我想请问你legal firm的invoice分开开单能被接受吗?(Tax Invoice & Debit Note)

    Example :\
    1) Tax Invoice
    - Professional Fee
    - Reimbursement
    - 6% GST

    2) Debit Note
    - Disbursement

    谢谢。

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    1. Joanne Taw,

      可以

      但是,第二项最好用Normal Invoice或 Debit Memo。

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  17. 你好,如果我的公司送货给sabah的客户后,forwarding agent开单给我公司(税务发票是我公司的名字)RM500 + RM30(gst) = RM530. 之后我公司要向sabah客户索回forwarding fees+gst RM530。

    请问这是reimbursement吗?那我公司要怎们开单给客户呢?如果开税务发票,哪account要怎么进呢?因为公司只是代付,不是公司供应的sales/service.

    谢谢!

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  18. Jaclyn Koay,

    1. forwarding agent开单给我公司,
    2. 之后我公司要向sabah客户索回
    3. 这是reimbursement

    税务发票

    forwarding fees - 500
    6% GST - 30
    总共 530

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    1. Chong Young Electric,

      你要看你back charge 的东西,之前供应商的税务发票开给谁?

      如果是开给你,你再back charge,即使没有mark up,这算reimbursement,是有GST的。

      需要开Tax Invoice。

      如果供应商当时的Tax Invoice 是开给你的sub-contractor,你们付了后再claim回,才叫disbursement。

      这种情况下,你是用Debit Memo claim回,没有GST。

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