Wednesday, March 4, 2015

消(45):银行向我们征收手续费,哪一个税务编号比较恰当?

喜欢在部落格发表文章,主要是因为可以集思广益。

有朋友在我的部落格讨论了一个看似简单,但是却错综复杂的课题。

那就是,如果银行向我们征收手续费,究竟应该采用那一个税务编号比较恰当呢?

大家都知道,银行提供的服务,计有:

1. 豁免供应,比如:提供贷款、信贷、预付款、交换货币或旅行支票与金融期权(option)或期货合约的交易(financial futures contracts)

2. 标准税率供应,如:征收服务费的服务

3. 零税率供应,海外服务

首先,有两个可行的税务编号。

第一个是TX,第二个是TX-E43。

这两个税务编号,无论采用哪一个,价值(Value)和消费税(GST)都会出现在消费税报表 6a 和 6b。

所以,严格来说,无论选哪一个,都不会影响最终的数据。

现在我们来看看,关税局所列出的附属豁免供应有些什么项目:


第一项是,金钱的存款。

为什么会有这个附属豁免供应,主要是因为当年开山祖师 - 英国在推出消费税(VAT)时,面对群众的激烈回响。

因为存款,根据法令,算是一项供应。

在这个情况下,几乎每一个商家都自动变成混合供应商(Mixed Supplier)。

成为混合供应商(Mixed Supplier)后,所有的进项税必须要严格分析,只有用在课税供应的才能够得到回扣。

这样一来,就会造成商家们很大的困扰。

因此,后来就出现了所谓现在我们看到的附属豁免供应(Incidental Exempt supplies)。


这就是,为什么有些会计师会建议,银行所征收的服务费 (Bank Charges),比较适合(我只能这么说)的税务编号是 ~· TX-E43。

27 comments:

  1. 你好。我想问好像收到银行给我们的FD interest, 我们借钱或advance给员工,foreign exchange gain or loss 是不是属于TX-43? 谢谢。。

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    1. Soo Yuan Tan,

      要看是供应还是采购。

      供应的是ES43,采购的才是TX-43

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  2. Tax Code: TX-E43
    This is only applicable to GST registered trader (group and ATS only) that makes both taxable and exempt supplies (or commonly known as partially exempt trader). TX-E43 should be used for transactions involving the payment of input tax that is directly attributable to the making Incidental Exempt Supplies. Incidental Exempt Supplies include interest income from deposits placed with a financial institution in Malaysia, realized foreign exchange gains or losses, first issue of bonds, first issue of shares through an Initial Public Offering and interest received from loans provided to employees, factoring
    receivables, money received from unit holders for units received by a unit trust etc.

    http://gst.customs.gov.my/en/rg/SiteAssets/accounting_software/Guide%20on%20ACCOUNTING%20SOFTWARE%2011092014.pdf

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    1. sc Lim,

      Thank you. :)

      However, (group and ATS only) need to delete from the sentence.

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  3. thanks for the update, custom department still not update yet.
    so for a Company that do not involve in making Incidental Exempt Supplies, bank charges Tax Code is TX.

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    1. sc Lim,

      Yaloh, many guidelines still not updating yet.

      "Deposit of money" is one of the incidental exempt finance supply. :)

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    2. Company only have current a/c, it did not earn any interest from the money that it placed with a financial institution, so the bank charges is merely a service fee charged by the financial institution for using their services.

      Incidental exempt financial supply is a supply of financial services made by a registered person who is not in the business of making the financial services.

      example on pg 16
      http://gst.customs.gov.my/en/rg/SiteAssets/specific_guides_pdf/Input%20tax%20guide%20050413%20-updated%20271013%20G5%20Treatment.pdf

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    3. sc Lim,

      这个部分,关税局的指南看到很多人混淆。

      如果看这个例子呢?公司只是Deposit Daily Earning。

      Evra Sdn. Bhd., a GST registered restaurant purchased a security box for the accounts clerk to deposit daily earnings of the company in a bank.

      The GST incurred for the purchase of the security box can be claimed as input tax。

      2. Incidental exempt financial supply is a supply of financial services made by a registered person who is not in the business of making the financial services.

      只要不是银行,任何的 Deposit of money,就是其Incidental exempt financial supply。

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  4. 只是把钱存在银行就等于提供金融服务?很难理解。^-^

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    1. Tax Code: TX-E43
      This is only applicable to GST registered trader that makes both taxable and exempt supplies.

      by looking at this sentence, this Tax Code do not apply to Company that makes taxable supply only[including Incidental exempt financial supply(which is at 0% tax rate)].

      then it follow by this sentence:
      TX-E43 should be used for transactions involving the payment of input tax that is directly attributable to the making of Incidental Exempt Supplies.

      by combining these two sentences,
      this Tax Code only apply to Company that makes taxable supply, Incidental exempt financial supply and exempt supply.

      therefore for other Company, input tax that is directly attributable to the making of Incidental Exempt Supplies is Tax Code TX.

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    2. sc Lim,

      很好的points :)

      参考参考 - http://klsecompany.blogspot.com/2015/03/48-exempt-financial-supply-one-of.html

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    3. ^-^我又想到另外一个point
      一间公司只要有存款,他的bank charges Tax Code is TX-E43,那他的purchase,是不是该放 TX-N43 (Purchase with GST incurred directly attributable to non-incidental exempt supplies)?

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    4. sc Lim,

      关于豁免,有两个类型:

      1. 真的豁免 (比如住家、收费站,公共交通) - GST incurred but not claimable
      2. 附属豁免 (金融的) - GST incurred, but claimable, 除非金融机构

      这个东西哦,是一个极小的事项,不过我们从交流中,学到不少东西,也让我一直去思索。

      我的看法或诠释,也不一定对的。

      不过,最终,还是看关税局怎样去鉴定。

      对了,SC,怎么那么久没有见到你?也在忙GST? :)

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    5. 对咯,现在全民都在忙GST,啊哈哈!
      就只是要决定放什么Tax Code,不同的会计师或税务顾问有不同的看法或诠释,商家会无所适从,该听谁的?
      当然,最终,还是看关税局怎样去鉴定, 可是不同的关税局官员,又有不同的看法或诠释,这岂不是造成人民的困扰了吗?

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    6. sc Lim,

      就是咯,当中还包括商家不懂自己要问什么问题,或需要知道什么;也包括会计师不知道商家想知道什么,因此出现很多误解。

      刚刚才一个客户打电话来说他刚刚上完一个课程,讲师说酒店是豁免供应。

      我对他说:也许你听漏了一些东西。

      Tax Code,暂时是一个无伤大雅的事项,只要税务没交多,没claim少。

      因为,我们亲爱的关税局自己也无法给我们一个很明确的指示。

      加油哦。

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    7. 唉。。。。这两天都无法游览 http://gst.customs.gov.my
      一起加油!

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  5. 请问银行charge 支票一张RM0.50 + stamp duty RM0.15,
    FD 给的dividend, overdraft interest, term loan, 跟银行买bank draft 的 service charges, term loan interest, hp interest..
    都是这个是TX-E43吗?

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  6. Anonymous,

    之所以会有这些收费,大前提是我们有 Supply 钱 (Deposit of Money) 给银行,因此觉得恰当的是TX-E43。

    不过,采用TX,6a 和 6b也是一样的。

    (关税局没有非常明确的给予指示,只有一些含糊的解释。)

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  7. 请问 Company's current account with interest, so interest received from bank, what tax code should be? (Company is a trading company selling SR. rate goods)

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  8. hello, how about the tax code for the stamp duty? thank you

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    1. Eugene L,

      The fee is not subject to GST as the service is regulatory in nature and is an out of scope supplies

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  9. 嗨,你好!!!
    想請問如果公司declare dividend給shareholder, key in payment時是不是要用OP?

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    1. Chong Ai Wee,

      这不是供应,若要输入,是可以选择OP

      Delete

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